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On 23 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Grumman E-8 Joint STARS. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 23 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. per arguments that the aircraft continued to be manufactured post merger (closed by non-admin page mover) Polyamorph (talk) 08:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Northrop Grumman E-8 Joint STARS → Grumman E-8 Joint STARS – Why does Northrop Grumman, a corporation formed in 1994, get credit for an aircraft that first flew in 1988? Rename per WP:AIR/NC. Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1992–93 Schierbecker (talk) 01:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Aviation and WikiProject Military history have been notified of this discussion. Schierbecker (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose I can see the arguments both ways on this. Per WP:AIR/NC, we should be "wary" of using "non-contemporary names". That would imply we should make the move. However, the JSTARS was produced up through 2005, meaning that it was produced by Northrop Grumman after the merger; and most sources that I've found that identify the manufacturer use the Northrop Grumman identifier, which strongly implies per WP:AIR/NC that we should use the name that is commonly used "by consensus". I don't think it makes a huge difference either way, but in that case I'd go with the name that seems to be most used by consensus, which is the current one. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 01:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Per WP:AIR/NC, "If the type has been produced by different companies or different company names then consensus should be reached on a case-by-case basis on which to use." The Jane's source you provided above is from the year before the Northrop Grumman merger, so of course it will not refer to it by its latest manufacturer. Most sources today refer to the aircraft as a Northrop Grumman product, and therefore WP:COMMONNAME applies. - ZLEA _T\^C 03:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Has has been stated, but Northrop Grumman is preferable to Grumman since the former continued to make the aircraft post-merger. In the same way that it's correct to call a Hawk (first developed in 1976) a BAE Systems Hawk, since that company continues to make the aircraft today. In contrast we wouldn't retrospectively rename Blackburn Buccaneer the BAE Systems Buccaneer since the aircraft was retired in the 1994 (and out of production long before that) and BAE, although the successor company, wasn't created until 1999.Mark83 (talk) 08:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.