Talk:Edgar Degas

Early Anti-Semitism

I'm concerned with this part: "...his anti-Semitism became apparent by the mid-1870s. His 1879 painting Portraits at the Stock Exchange is widely regarded as anti-Semitic, with the facial features of the banker taken directly from the anti-Semitic cartoons rampant in Paris at the time.[49]"

My objections are these: 1) The work cannot be widely regarded as anti-Semitic because it isn't widely regarded at all. Its claim to fame is being a minor work by a famous artist. 2) The connection between anti-Semitic caricatures and this work of art are not established, they're speculated.

The link is essentially a blogpost. The critical source by Paula Hymen, "The French Jewish Community from Emancipation to the Dreyfus Affair," isn't even properly cited therein. I think this short section needs to be re-written with proper citations, heavily pruned, or removed altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MusselParty (talk • contribs) 02:30, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

comments

The last line could be correctly written in more than one way.

"Today, paintings by Degas can sell for more than US$16 million."

"Today, prices for paintings by Degas can exceed US$16 million."

"Today, prices for paintings by Degas reach no less than US$16 million."

However, prices do not sell. Paintings sell.

--E.C.

I removed this part because I am unsure if it is correct:

In Montmartre, he had an affair with one of his models, Suzanne Valadon. Degas would encourage her efforts to paint and she would eventually become one of the best known female artists of the day.

While this paper gives much information, I am not sure who wrote it, when it was copyrighted, and if it has a special "volume" numer. I'm sorry, but I just need all of this for a bibliography project. :)

Personal life of Degas

Isn't possible to add in a more personal section of the life of Degas. About the time and culture of the Paris, in combination of the impressionist movement, for example. Especially his view of women is very important for his work and the time period, there is absolutely no reference to that.

I find the amouth of sculptures, found back on wiki, pour. Also the links sculpture and painting in the last section does not forward to those of his, maybe someone knows how to correct this. --Grim Reaper2 15:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Lot of cites

To my mind a great many of the citations in this article are superfluous. Anybody wanting to confirm that Degas' family was fairly wealthy, or that he once met Ingres, or helped organize the 1st Impressionist exhibit, could check the index of any one of the books listed as references & find the right passage instantly. When facts are neither recondite nor disputed, an excess of cites just disrupts the flow of text. If nobody objects I propose to do some pruning. Ewulp 06:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Did it Ewulp 03:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

External links

Would like to propose the following articles for external links: Realistic Painting - Impressionism, Degas - http://www.oldandsold.com/articles34/french-art-18.shtml Smithville 00:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Names?

It says on these sites [1][2] that he has middle names Germain and Hilaire. But some sites like this one [3] use it as an address or as his first name. Alus 22:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Good eye! You're right about this--the edit history shows that his full name used to be in the article but was inexplicably removed sometime last spring & nobody has noticed til now. Most sources checked have it as Hilaire-Germain-Edgar Degas, so that's what we'll go with. Ewulp 23:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Cites

Lots of excellent research, elaboration, and clarification have been accomplished recently, but it seems to me that the observation made here on November 7 may be relevant again. JNW 04:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Can't argue with that, they've been piling up...I'll trim some of the less needed ones & try to consolidate a few of the remainders. Ewulp 04:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

As part of this effort I've cut a line left here by a previous contributor which has always bothered me a bit:

All of these techniques were used with Degas's self-expressed goal of "'bewitching the truth'".(Hartt, p.365)

If there's any sentiment in favor of putting it back in, back in it goes-- I don't like to cut a sourced quote, but it never seemed to me that this one adds much...maybe it's a so-so translation or maybe it's too shorn of context, but it doesn't seem meaningful enough to be included. Ewulp 03:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I agree. It sounds uncharacteristically pretentious for Degas. JNW 04:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

House in New Orleans

I've removed the section on the New Orleans house where Degas stayed with family for five months, not two years as the link stated. What might be useful here, folded into the career section, would be mention of the New Orleans stay, and the work resulting from it. The house itself, apparently now a bed and breakfast, might merit a footnote if it is not attached to a spam site, but not a separate heading with several paragraphs of content. Shall we have a distinct heading for each building he lived and created in? JNW 13:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Please stop removing legitimate links, JNW

See the discussion over here. I'd like to keep it in one place. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation of surname

How is his last name pronounced? --John (talk) 23:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I have a source that claims the 's' is pronounced. --John (talk) 01:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

What's the source? I can't find one that favors the audible "s", e.g. Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary (2nd edition) gives "de-gä" (with tilde over the e); Kaltenbach, 1972, in Dictionary of Pronunciation of Artists' Names says "dug-ah (absolutely not day-gass!)"; Oxford American Dictionaries has "dāˈgä". Ewulp (talk) 03:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Reading a biography on Degas in Swedish I've noted that the author claims the "s" to be pronounced for the following reason: Degas earlier family name is said to have been "De Gas". Our Degas started to omit the space but, according to this biography, always pronounced the 's' and used to correct people saying his name without doing so. Since a persons own preferences on how to pronounce their name usually is what is considered "the last word" in these issues this is very interesting.

[ilɛʀ ʒɛʁmɛ̃ ɛdɡɑʀ dœˈɡɑ]), was a French artist famous for his work in

Okay, so when I clipped that, I could read it, and that was a surprize. Now I can't: It is all squares. So someone finally applied the right font name to articles, and forgot about talk pages. Daygaw might be useful. I hav heard it that way, "aw" being a short or soft oh. I can still read the oe-digraph, though I no longer hav a clue what it reprezents. It is definitely *not* doygaw or daigaw. 216.234.170.76 (talk) 19:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone else have a source saying this?--Bjornwireen (talk) 15:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

There are these, [4], and [5] which may not be the last word, but confirm what I have always heard. The mystery deepen(s). JNW (talk) 15:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Sickert wrote in 1929: "Degas is now, beyond remedy, pronounced in England by some peers, all professors of Art, neo-curators, and even some picture dealers, as if the name were Des Gas, like Desboutin, Desmarolles, Desanges, etc., instead of like De La Calprenede, De Musset, De Neuville, De Ste Croix, etc", adding: "Degas ran the two syllables of his name together on his canvases because he did not wish to emphasise the particle in his trade signature, just as Henry Irving did not print the 'Sir' in his programmes." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.27.153 (talk) 15:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Edgar Degas used the name Degas, his family however used the name de Gas, suggesting some sort of nobility. The family tomb in Montmartre Cemetery in Paris carries the name de Gas. They were none the less proud of Edgar as is shown by the plaque on the door.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by JHvW (talk • contribs) 09:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

My art master in 1959 Wilfrid Puddephat was a stickler for accuracy and not accepting commonly held opinions, even of the established art world. He insisted that everyone was wrong and that Degas came from an area of France with an unusual and pronounced local dialect that pronounced the name 'Duh-gass'. 86.187.170.194 (talk) 11:02, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Gallery

A rather oversized gallery of images has grown on the article. I believe that's what Commons if for. -- Infrogmation (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

head of a criminal

is there anyway we can ad something on this painting to the article? this is all the info i currently have on it, maybe you can tell me if its appropriate and where? http://discovermagazine.com/photos/12-darwins-dystopias-ghastly-visions-inspired-by-the-theory-of-evolution Killemall22 (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for finding this--I found a place in the article to add the link. Ewulp (talk) 22:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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257 Artworks of Edgar Degas

There are 257 Artworks of Edgar Degas on ArtGalleryEnc.com with information about the year, material, dimensions, museums added for each Artwork. Vv.Grecu

Stop adding spamlinks to this encyclopedia, thank you...Modernist (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry, what kind of spam is that? What other information do you want me to write? Or how it should be written? Reply please.

Vv.Grecu —Preceding undated comment added 21:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Anything that you add to articles should be directly relevant to the text in the article - as a reference...Modernist (talk) 21:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Degas sculpture controversy

The recent Degas sculpture controversy came up at Yank Barry, but it's really a Degas issue. Some references:

• The whole area of Degas bronzes is confusing, because Degas never made any bronzes. All "Degas bronzes" were made after his death, from wax models that weren't intended to be masters for bronzes at all.[6] So there's much disagreement over what an "authentic" Degas bronze is. Degas' work is now out of copyright, so anybody can make copies.
• The Jerusalem Post mentions that the Degas Sculpture Project plan was to manufacture 29 sets of the 73 bronzes, using the newly discovered plaster masters.[7].
• Bloomberg reports that art experts are now afraid to speak out on this subject due to fear of litigation.[8]
• Yank Barry, as a potential buyer, was in litigation with the Degas Sculpture Project.[9] The Degas Sculpture Project was cranking out bronzes from a set of plaster masters supposedly discovered recently. Both sides settled their lawsuit before the issue of authenticity got to court. [10]
• There's a 3D model of the Little Dancer[11] and another Degas sculpture is on Thingiverse[12], so now anybody with access to a 3D printer can make one.

If anyone wants to update the article, go for it. I don't have the art expertise. John Nagle (talk) 05:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks—those are some good links. The Yank Barry angle is probably extraneous here but the William Cohan articles will be helpful in sharpening the prose. Ewulp (talk) 03:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The Valsuni Foundry, which was cranking out those questionable bronzes, went bust last month.[13] John Nagle (talk) 22:16, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks once again! The article has been updated. Ewulp (talk) 10:08, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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