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to dispute those things, we need presentations from credible historians or experts in 17th British history field that could help ur concern regarding Cromwell's conduct in Ireland Ahendra (talk) 09:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The debate over his historical reputation continues."
because Churchill is a prominent political figure in 20th century. it may not add some weight academically but its more to assessing personal view of Churchill towards Cromwell Ahendra (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Similarly with Fifth Monarchists, considering how closely he worked with Major-General Harrison. I guess there are many shades and kinds of opposition. Cromwell's approach was always to try to keep together as much of the fissiparous Puritan coalition as possible. But it would be interesting to see what Worden (the source for both claims) actually says.
With the Quakers, he also opposed the punishment of Nayler by the Second Protectorate Parliament, but in the end gave way. Generally, it was Parliament, not Cromwell, that took a narrow approach to religion, but it all tends to get personalised to Cromwell. GarethAd (talk) 14:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Battle of Dunbar
His appeal rejected, Cromwell's veteran troops went on to invade Scotland. At first, the campaign went badly, as Cromwell's men were short of supplies and held up at fortifications manned by Scottish troops under David Leslie. Sickness began to spread in the ranks. Cromwell was on the brink of evacuating his army by sea from Dunbar. However, on 3 September 1650, unexpectedly, Cromwell smashed the main Scottish army at the Battle of Dunbar, killing 4,000 Scottish soldiers, taking another 10,000 prisoner, and then capturing the Scottish capital of Edinburgh.[67] The victory was of such a magnitude that Cromwell called it "A high act of the Lord's Providence to us [and] one of the most signal mercies God hath done for England and His people".[67]
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Battle of Dunbar
His appeal rejected, Cromwell's veteran troops went on to invade Scotland. At first, the campaign went badly, as Cromwell's men were short of supplies and held up at fortifications manned by Scottish troops under David Leslie. Sickness began to spread in the ranks, and Cromwell was on the brink of evacuating his army by sea from Dunbar. Unfortunately, David Leslie was forced to attack Cromwell's well-positioned troops by the dominant Scottish Clergy, who dominated every aspect of life in Scotland at that time. Leslie reluctantly agreed, and on 3 September 1650, over 4,000 Scottish soldiers were killed at the Battle of Dunbar, with a further estimated 10,000 taken prisoner. Cromwell then proceeded to capture the Scottish capital of Edinburgh.[67] The victory was of such a magnitude that Cromwell called it "A high act of the Lord's Providence to us [and] one of the most signal mercies God hath done for England and His people".[67]
REASON - the account completely fails to capture the situation in Scotland at the time, with the Kirk zealots dominating every aspect of life, with approval of the Scottish Parliament (which they dominated) CWIFFER911 (talk) 20:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Churchill admired Cromwell’s leadership during the English Civil War and the Protectorate. He recognized Cromwell’s strategic genius, military prowess, and ability to unite disparate factions behind a common cause. Churchill’s biographer notes that Churchill saw Cromwell as a “great leader” who “carried out a revolution” and “created a new England.”
In the 1920s, Churchill even proposed naming a Royal Navy ship after Cromwell, despite knowing that this would be controversial among the Irish. However, King George V vetoed the idea, citing the potential offense it would cause to Irish people. 86.187.234.126 (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you actually read the article? The battleship is already covered. But Churchill's view of Cromwell doesn't look exactly enthusiastic. The lead section says: "Winston Churchill described Cromwell as a military dictator." Perhaps you have some detailed sources which support those positive claims you make? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]