Talk:King of Pop (disambiguation)

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how bout a mention of Zhou, JieLun, the supposed Asia's King of Pop?--AznEffects HuangDi 1968 23:21, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)

Perhaps a subsection for regional Pop Kings such as Zhou, JieLun?-- User:w_wanderers 6:18, 2005 March 25 (UTC)

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On 11 June 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/King of Pop for a record of the discussion.

78.19.85.41 (talk) 02:58, 24 November 2015 (UTC)== Michael Jackson ==[reply]

Surely this article should read something along the lines of "most often attributed to the late American popstar Michael Jackson" considering it's perhaps the most used and universal "honorific pop name" in today's vernacular, save for perhaps The King in reference to Elvis Presley. That way it doesn't cite MJ is the exclusive recipient of this title, but is most often who the title refers to. Mc8755 (talk) 12:59, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, by that logic, we may as well have the title 'King of Rock and Roll' also redirecting to the likes of Chuck Berry and Little Richard - after all, there are many who look upon either of them as the King of Rock and Roll. Furthermore, the reference of 'King' has also often been attributed to MJ - even in certain media reports (Online and offline) after he passed, so references of the 'King' are not that straight forward. It may be the simple fact that Elvis Presley experienced his adulthood music career approx. 23 years (Age difference) before MJ began to experience his solo adulthood career ...So, the reference to The 'King', already being used in past times, doesn't necessarily make it exclusive to that person, either, when fans and others also often use the term for another artist. It is simply a case of it first being used for a successful artist that was born 23 years before the other successful artist.

Mc8755, after seeing this edit by Britannic124 at the Michael Jackson article, I am reminded that the King of Pop page should redirect to the Michael Jackson article; it should redirect there per WP:PRIMARY TOPIC. In cases like this, however, it is good to call on disambiguation expert BD2412 via WP:Echo. Flyer22 (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, King of Pop should definitely redirect to Michael Jackson. I was expecting that to happen when I searched “King of Pop”. 〜Britannic124 (talk) 23:34, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Terrible page! Once you mention that there were some others who were supposedly referred to by that title, one SHOULD leave LINKS to sources. Isn't that the way wiki works!?! You can't just state something (Others were also, bla, bla, bla) without seeking sources for your claim.

Requested move 9 February 2018

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The result of the move request was: general consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 00:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

King of Pop → King of Pop (disambiguation) – Redirect this to Michael Jackson per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. — Za wl 09:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per nom._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:10, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per Andy Warhol, the Real King of Pop In ictu oculi (talk) 11:32, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- "King of Pop" is not mentioned anywhere in Andy Warhol. In addition, "pop" in common parlance means the music, not pop art._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:52, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Is there any evidence that Warhol was ever known as the king of pop because if not it would not be a valid reason to oppose?--72.0.200.133 (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is a real book title, but was a slightly facetious comment, sorry. I just don't see the point of adding King of Pop redirects here, for other subject see King of Pop (disambiguation) to the top of the scary guy's article. The King of Pop is clearly not an encyclopaedic term if anyone puts it in they are just as likely looking for the album or curious about the term. Also King of Pop award, Johnny Farnham and all those people. Leave what is clearly a dab page in the position a dab should be. No one is going to look for Michael Jackson other than by searching "Michael Jackson". It smacks of fan worship to have to direct this generic term to him. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:47, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The sources state that he was "dubbed the King of Pop" and that's all that matters, not your personal opinion on whether or not he deserves such a title. Besides, if you truly believe it's a totally unencyclopedic term then you should also believe that King of Pop (album) should be moved to that namespace instead, since in that case there is no reason for there to be a disambiguation page._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, if anything I believe the King of Pop award would be a better candidate than a Michael Jackson compilation album. The point is this is a dab page about a term. A term. This is not a performing name of Michael Jackson. No one is going to look for Michael Jackson other than by searching "Michael Jackson", correct? So if someone searches "King of Pop" they are looking for the term "King of Pop" not the Michael Jackson article. To get sent straight to Michael Jackson then means, oh flip, so how do I find "King of Pop"? By the hat note on the Michael Jackson article which I have just been made to download but I didn't want. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:02, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I'm replacing a snarky oppose based on lack of rationale provided with this support !vote. The results for a Google search for king of pop is dominated by MJ. So clearly the primary topic I suppose no rationale is justified. --В²C ☎ 23:15, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. 17 mentions at Michael Jackson, and now that he is deceased, the epithet is locked in. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:55, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support – see People's Princess as an example. MJ is definitely the primary topic for this title per historical sources used on Google. CookieMonster755 ✉ 17:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have no doubt that Jackson is the undisputed King of Pop but is there evidence that users searching using that term are looking for the Michael Jackson article? Wouldn't they just type "Michael Jackson"? Someone actually using "King of Pop" as a search term might be after info in honorific nicknames in popular music instead. This could be tested by WP:DABTEST but would require patience. — AjaxSmack 17:43, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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