Talk:Swords to ploughshares

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Comment

The Bible (King James Version) states, "And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" (Isaiah 2.4).

New World Translation reads

And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.

So it's Jehovah (Psalms 83:18) God who will bring everything to just. Not goverments. --JoshuaMD (talk) 08:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cut from Plowshare

The following is cut from Plowshare. it should be merged with the article.-- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The plowshare is often used to symbolize creative tools that benefit mankind, as opposed to destructive tools of war, symbolized by the sword, a similar sharp metal tool with an arguably opposite use. The common expession "beat swords into plowshares" has been used by disparate social and political groups.

This analogy is used several times in the Bible such as in the following verses:

Isaiah 2:4 "And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war."

Joel 3:10 "Beat your plowshares into swords And your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak say, "I am a mighty man."

Micah 4:3 "And He will judge between many peoples And render decisions for mighty, distant nations. Then they will hammer their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they train for war."

As well as popular culture:

Until the nations turn their swords into plowshares — Heal The World by Michael Jackson (1991)
They will live again in freedom

In the garden of the Lord.

They will walk behind the ploughshare,

They will put away the sword.

The chain will be broken

And all men will have their reward. — Finale of the musical Les Misérables

"...they're beating plowshares into swords for those tired old men that we elected king" — End of the Innocence by Don Henley (1989)

An expression of this concept can be seen a bronze statue in the United Nations garden called Let Us Beat Swords into Plowshares, a gift from the Soviet Union sculpted by Evgeniy Vuchetich, representing the figure of a man hammering a sword into the shape of a plowshare.

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Done by others—A L T E R C A R I ✍ 15:32, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to remove "List of notable cases"

I think given the section intro itself makes the argument for its inappropriateness in the article and that it's an unreferenced list of miscellaneous information, it should be removed. JayHubie (talk) 19:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that the list has become superfluous with the inclusion of song lyrics, though its political usage seems worth retaining for famous and impactful applications of the analogy BluePenguin18 🐧 ( 💬 ) 23:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]