Talk:Jimmie Johnson

Peer review by User:Royalbroil

• In general, there should be more content for each year. Maybe explain the major wins and a little about the key events of the season. On the Alan Kulwicki article, I gave kept a running commentary about how his 1992 championship season progressed. This is appropriate for each of his championships.
  • Such as what races, the 500, the Brickyard? Nascar1996 01:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
    • No specific races, the high and low points of the season. All the article gives now is a bunch of statistics. This is the main point of their criticism why the article couldn't make the main page. For him to win a championship, he needs to somehow get up to the top of the points. How did he get there? What was his point position in the points before the chase? Which races did he win, and were there any close wins (or near wins)? It comes down to the race reports. I think of you need to pretend a little more that we're writing an article like a sports writer would, except statistics is a much larger portion of the text. Royalbroil 03:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
      • • If I do that, then people probably will complain that I just dumped a list of statistics on the article. I do now know how I could do this.Nascar1996 11:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
• The lead is WAY too short, see WP:LEAD. Should be around 4 paragraphs. I would look for example Featured Articles on other drivers like Formula One to see how they do it.
  • Okay, but I'm not a good creator of a summary. Nascar1996 01:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
    • I spent a bunch of time on it, so it should be better. Royalbroil 03:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
• "nicknamed "Superman" by fellow driver and teammate Mark Martin" - Is he really well known by this nickname?
  • Everyone (drivers and teams, as well as some fans) calls him that win he wins, which I find very humorous. Should it be removed? Nascar1996 01:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
    • As long as it's somewhat common, like Earnhardt being the Intimidator, Kyle is Shrub, etc then no problem. You've sourced it so fine. Royalbroil 03:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Part 2, June 11, 2011: My internet is being poor right now but I was able to pull up the article for reviewing without editing

• For the references you consistently use the form "Msn.foxsports.com" when you should be using FOX Sports, nascar.com instead of NASCAR ...
• Unsourced: "He has two younger brothers, Jarit and Jessie"
  • Sourced by [1]. --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
• When did he marry Chandra? (year is fine)
• unsourced: Afterward, he moved to the Mickey Thompson Entertainment Group (MTEG) Stadium Racing Series where he won several more awards. In 1993, Johnson was given the opportunity to drive for Herb Fishel.
  • Sourced by [2]. --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
• Also, he won awards in MTEG? You mean championships or please be more specific
  • To be honest, I have no idea, and the source doesn't say either. --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
• The article overall looks quite short for GA. A major problem is that the off-road portion of the article needs expansion. I remember personally attending one of his off-road races and he was rapidly accomplishing wins while he was rapidly moving up that ladder to the 4x4 Trophy Truck divisions (SODA called it Class 4 and I'm guessing that he raced in 2 wheel drive trophy trucks). Which classes did he race? How many wins did he get each year? I have lots of knowledge in this area (probably the most of any regular Wikipedian) so I can help translate what the class names meant. Good reliable sources include dirtnewz.com
• SCORE needs wikilink to SCORE International
  •  Done --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
• wikilink buggy to Baja Bug
  •  Done --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
• spell out SODA like MTEG was (I think I'm close on the name) -> Short Course Off-Road Drivers Association (SODA)
  •  Done --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
• "After two years" - what does that mean? 2 years in off-road or 3? Neither sound likely to get 25 wins and over 100 top 10 since they race at most 20 events in a year even if they race multiple series. A 2 year break?
  • He remained in off-road. I reworded it to, Two years later,... --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
• Unsourced: ASA section - for 2000 and 2001
  • 2000: [3], 2001: [4] http://jimmiejohnson.org/
• You need to use the name at the time even if a series name changes. Change the Nationwide Series -> Busch Series in the sentence "In 2000, he was announced the driver for Herzog Motorsports in the Nationwide Series."
  •  Done --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
• I haven't read from Sprint Cup Series until the end

Random thoughts

• For organization, I prefer (not required but we're discussing) to see sections by type of racing. So I suggest breaking down into 2.1 off-road racing, 2.2 stock car racing (subheadings 2.2.1 ASA / Nationwide, 2.2.2 Sprint Cup, 2.2.3 Race of Champions (I think it's stock car)), 2.3 Sports car racing (subheading 2.3.1 Grand-Am)
• Wikilink in Grand-Am section to Rolex 24 article. I'd wikilink to the race article then 2004 to the 2004 Rolex 24 (if available), "one year later" to the 2005 article, etc.
• need a source for the Sprint Cup results table (nascar.com should be used over racing-reference since nascar.com is official even though they provide results to racing-reference who publishes it to the major newspapers)
• The article needs a section on how he raced IROC for 2 seasons which was a major league series until it folded

Part 3, June 15, 2011:

• All of the Sprint Cup paragraphs have high number of unsourced statements that need citations from reliable sources. I would be considering speedy fail against GA if I were reviewing it. I wouldn't give the article B-class because there are way too many major unsourced statements. This is a major problem that really should get a maintenance tag (but you're doing).

• I found a problem, a particularly big one. The Team Lowe's Racing reference has now set that page where you have to log in to see it. I'll be looking for another reference. -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 01:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Need sources especially on these statements - "he became the first rookie driver to lead the point standings, and the first rookie to win twice at the same track during a season"
• You assume that the reader knows that the Winston Cup, Nextel Cup, and Sprint Cup are the same series. I always provide a sentence each year when the series changed name. I don't think that you need to provide a source since it's common knowledge.
• I don't understand this statement, please explain: "During 2003, Johnson finished ninth on the all-time list for consecutive weeks ranked in the top-10 in points with 69."
• "However, finishes of 37th and 32nd at Talladega Superspeedway and Kansas Speedway moved him toward the bottom of the point standings." - he finished 2nd, how is he at the bottom of the standings?
• "The second victory of the 2004 Chase for the Nextel Cup" sentences - how does this relate to him? It's not clear to me and I remember it. What you're trying to say is that he won the race and found out that his owner's family died. Also, I would say that he finish 2nd in the Chase for the Cup since it wasn't season-long points, was it?
• It's especially important to source: "During the season, he became the only driver in the modern era to win at least three races in each of his first five seasons"
• ditto for "with the other being Cale Yarborough."
• ditto "becoming the only driver to do so"
• two major facts to source "He also became the only driver to win at least three races in each of their first eight seasons, as well as the only driver to qualify for the Chase for the Sprint Cup every year since 2004"
• Another two "During the season he became second on the active winners list, while 13th on the all time winners list"
• "second conecutive year" - typo. Please spell and grammar check the article before submitting to GA.
• Two more facts "the Driver of the Year title for the third time, tying Jeff Gordon, Mario Andretti, and Darrell Waltrip as the only three time winners of the award"
• Another one - "becoming the third driver who made up points to win the title since 1975"
• I doubt that last sentence, only 3? I know Kulwicki did it in the final race of 1992. Every other driver led for the full season? I doubt that every other champion won the Daytona 500
• The first paragraph under the Race of Champions is unsourced
• "The Jimmie Johnson Foundation" section - The paragraph describes multiple charities, so I think it should be renamed "Philanthropy"
• "I don't see why the logo for his foundation is needed as a fair use. I think it is decoration and doesn't help the reader understand the topic
• Which foundation in the following sentence: "During 2009 and 2010, the foundation"

Please take care of the high number of sourcing needed in the Cup section. I didn't go through it very carefully. I'll read it again after you do all of these edits.

City of birth

Is there a source that actually states that Johnson was actually born in El Cajon? I ask because there is no hospital in El Cajon, unless he was born at home which is rare, even then. The closest hospital is in La Mesa and there are several in San Diego. JOJ ^Hutton 02:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Jimmie's official biography says he was born in El Cajon. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:18, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Well that would be some trick since El Cajon has no maternity hospital. Even in 1975 it was very rare to be born outside a hospital or at home. I realize that he is from El Cajon, but could it be possible that someone inferred that he was actually born in El Cajon simply because he grew up there? Just seems very odd and very unlikely, despite what the source claims.--JOJ ^Hutton 12:26, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, since multiple sources that, presumably, have gotten it "straight from the horse's mouth" (Jimmie's official site and Hendrick's driver page for him) explicitly say "born in El Cajon", it's what we have to go with, unlikely as it sounds. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:31, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm never one to edit against the sources even when I'm fairly confident that they must be wrong because there is no hospital for him to have been born in El Cajon. There is a slim chance that he was born at home, but that's very slim. JOJ ^Hutton 20:50, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2023

On June 27, 2023, Jimmie’s parents and son were murdered at their Oklahoma residence in an apparent murder-suicide. Bluesky9795 (talk) 22:07, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2023

98.97.60.161 (talk) 06:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. No reason provided for an edit request. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 07:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2024

Change his car number in the opening bio from 84 to 48. 67.242.49.251 (talk) 00:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done See Legacy_Motor_Club#Car_No._84_history. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:04, 7 February 2024 (UTC)