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Double reference

Why Caspian is listed twice in Characters found in Narnia section? The second one is now directed to Caspian Sea. Can anybody check it? --Pouya 08:21, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Took care of double entries (Digory, Andrew) under both Christian names and surnames by moving all to entries under surnames (this at least has the merit of grouping family members together). Corrected some outstanding errors and added some missing charcters. 68.100.18.183 11:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)RandomCritic[reply]

Character descriptions

This is supposed to be a list of the character in the Chronicles of Narnia. I am going to eliminate the character descriptions. People that want to know about the characters can click on those links. KitHutch 00:01, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I see a problem with a short description, and if they want more they can click on the links. What does having a summary here hurt? Wikibofh 02:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason to have a list at all then? Why don't we just use Category:Narnia characters ? My understanding was that list were for use when you wanted something other than what you get with categories. It really doesn't matter much to me either way, but I don't think we gain anything be having the list with JUST the functionality of the category. Lsommerer 20:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- For this I prefer a list over categories, as it is more newbie friendly whereas categories are useful for organization, they are not great at showing high level summaries. Wikibofh_(talk) 14:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

KitHutch, as you can see, I reverted back to the version with descriptions. We clearly have a difference of opinion on the purpose of this page. I would like to see it serve as something more than the Category:Narnia characters page. I don't think it is useful to have two sentence articles on each character, but it would serve a purpose to have a brief description of the characters and articles on the main characters. I realize that the page is a bit on the ugly side now, but I think that is because it is in an unfinished state, and not because this format is inherently ugly. Look at List of Narnian creatures for an example of how this page could look/work. I felt that reverting back to the description version was reasonable given the responses to this section, but it is a very small number of responses. LloydSommerer 06:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like this new version of the list. However, I did edit some of the long descriptions on the list. As far as I am concerned there shouldn't be descriptions on a list. If there are going to be any, they should be short. KitHutch 21:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I still don't understand why you don't think there should be descriptions in this list. It seems to me that this is the right spot to describe characters when the character's article would only be a few sentences long. I do agree with you that for the characters who do have an article, some of the descriptions were wordy. LloydSommerer 01:08, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you agree that some of these are a bit wordy, why did you revert the ones I modified? Miraz should not have a longer description than Peter, for example. I think his description here is longer than his Wikipedia entry!KitHutch 16:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't revert any of your edits. Some of them I thought were spot on, and some I thought cut out a bit much. But even the ones that I thought cut out a bit much were correctly targeted on the worst of the lot. I agree that Peter's entry is too short, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Miraz's is too long. Personally, I don't think we need to see dozens of 5 sentence articles for relatively minor Narnia characters, and would rather see those short articles that do already exist redirected here. I think we'll see a lot of the problems with the length of entries here go away in a few weeks as other people flesh things out (and cut out fluff) in the natural Wikipedia course of things. LloydSommerer 16:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

KitHutch, I still don't understand the reason for your edits. It appears to me that you are simply editing items to get them down to what you consider the maximum size for an entry. Could you take the time to explain the reason why you think there should be a maximum size? LloydSommerer 00:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a list. Many of the items on this list have their own articles in Wikipedia. We don't need to have lengthy descriptions for characters here. One or two sentences should be enough. If someone wants to know more about a character, go to their article. Prince Caspian was a perfect example of this. His decription here was almost as long as the introduction on his own article! Just go to the article; don't add to the description here. KitHutch 01:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why the fact that this article starts with the words "List of" is such a sticking point. Wikipedia clearly supports annotated lists. And we're making good use of them for Narnia Creatures and Narnia Places. As far as your specific examples goes, Prince Caspian is in 3 books, and so 3 sentences seems like a reasonable introduction. I fully agree that if people want to know more they can go to the main article. But there are about 150 characters listed here that do not have articles. Surely 3 sentences is not too much for characters that do not --and prehaps should not-- have articles. You're not seriously saying that if there are 3 sentences that we should add an article than will always be a stub?

Fully a third of that articles dedicated to Narnian characters are less than 4 sentences, and that's including an intruductory sentence saying that they are Narnian characters. These articles are not stubs. They say pretty much all there is to say about these characters. I think we should be consistant with these relatively minor characters, and I can't believe that anyone would suggest adding 150 three sentence articles is good for Wikipedia. The other choice is to put the information here and that could mean having 3 sentences for an entry in this list.

But I don't think the two of us are going to reach a consensus on this, and I hope others will chime in as well. I'm going to add back some of the information that you removed. Specifically to entries that do not have articles. LloydSommerer 03:45, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it seems to me there are three sorts of characters. The ones about which there is essentially nothing to say beyond the name, type, and book; the ones which deserve an article of their own; and the ones in between. For the first, one sentence'll take it all. For the second, two or three sentences ought to be enough to (A) identify the character, and (B) provide links. For instance, I suggest cutting Caspian from

Caspian X: or Prince Caspian, "The Seafarer", nephew of King Miraz, led War of Deliverance and later crowned King of Narnia with the help of Aslan and the Pievancie[sic] children. Afterward, he voyages to the edge of the world in his ship, the Dawn Treader, in search of the loyal Narnian Lords banished by his uncle Miraz. His son, Prince Rilian, is made a prisoner of the Emerald Witch. (PC,VDT,SC)

to something like

Caspian X: or Prince Caspian, crowned King of Narnia with the help of Aslan and the Pevensie children. Afterward, he voyages to the edge of the world in his ship, the Dawn Treader. Father of Prince Rillian. (PC,VDT,SC)

For the in-betweeners, putting whatever there is to say here makes about as much sense as creating a stub that cannot grow further.

—wwoods 06:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

text of new descriptions

The original text for most of the characters and descriptions on this list was provided by Joshua Bell of NarniaMUSH, and is used here with his permission granted as per Wikipedia:Boilerplate request for permission. LloydSommerer 17:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ravens in Narnia

There are two entries for ravens under the letter s, one for "Sallowpad" and one for "Swallowpad." I'm 99.9% sure that there was only one raven with a name like that, and I'm about 80% sure that that name was "Sallowpad." For this reason, I'm going to delete "Swallowpad." If I'm wrong, you can fix it and blame me. --Cromwellt|Talk 23:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Red Links

I would like to remove the links to articles that do not exist yet, but I wanted to hear what others thought first. The choices I can see are...

No red links (don't wiki unless an article already exists)
All red links (wiki every character whether or not an article exists)
Some red links (only wiki characters who meet some criteria)

If the consensus is to do 3 then I would suggest that we use as a criteria characters who are (a) major heros or villians or (b) do something in more than one book. LloydSommerer 21:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that we should go with option #1, No red links. We don't need wikilinks if there is no article. Personally, I hate seeing red links in articles. KitHutch 03:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ginabrik

He is in the origanle books

Lady of the Green Kirtle

She's referred to in three different manners on this list - as "the Lady of the Green Kirtle," as "the Emerald Witch," and as "the Green Witch." I would suggest that the references be consolidated to the first option, as that's the way she's described in the books. Her other official title is "Queen of the Underland," and references to her as the Green or Emerald Witch are publishers' contrivances. Objections? Discussion? Roundelais 19:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The article would be better that way. Would you have "See: Lady of the Green Kirtle" stubs?LloydSommerer 18:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand your question, Lloyd. I'm a newbie. Roundelais 19:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just suggesting that after you change to the more appropriet entry "title" that it would be good to add something like

Emerald Witch: see Lady of the Green Kirtle

Or something like that so that people can find the entry even if they are looking for the other name.LloydSommerer 12:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 11:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Surplus

Why does this list include characters who are only named or referred to by another character or by the narrator and don't otherwise have a "speaking" part. For example, Ardeeb Tisroc is nothing more than a name in Aravis' family tree. Big Bannister is slightly more developed but again, does not appear in person. Claret Ash 12:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful if such "surplus characters" were marked as only appearing by reference. -- Elphion (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Seriously??

Why the hell doesn't Reepicheep have a page?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2406:5A00:C002:5700:E83D:8A32:A8FF:AA7F (talk) 09:54, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]