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Stub categorization

I am moving this article to {{child-book-stub}}, but am unsure whether it should be considered a stub any longer. BonsaiViking 20:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO, it is still a stub. The article lacks a (IMHO) a short description of least of the core aspects of the story (the techno-fixation of the Toad, how he values his "urges" higher than friendship, and how in spite of that his friends "reintegrate him into socienty"). I'm sure someone could write that differently, so it doesn't sound like complete bullshit like my writing. IMHO. --Klaws 19:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Published when?

Details

There are enough pop-culture references to it, besides adaptations, to justify a section mentioning the aspects that support the references. I'm thinking of at least Mr Toad's Wild Ride (at both Disneyland and Disney World?), Toad Hall dormitory, and Toad's Place.
--Jerzy•t 03:13, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Might be worth checking the actual name of the ride. Latin for toad is bufo, not 'Toadi'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Easton (talk • contribs) 09:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article says "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is the name of a ride at Disneyland... inspired by Toad's motorcar adventure." The words are actually taken from the chapter title, aren't they? 188.102.98.47 (talk) 11:06, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia vs. Miscellany

What is the difference?71.63.88.111 (talk) 19:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)she who shall not be named.[reply]

The 1996 animated film

What company did the 1996 animated version?

Was there one? I remember one from about then (maybe earlier) using Clay Mation and made by Cosgrove Hall--TimothyJacobson (talk) 16:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot 04:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Victorian?

Not withstanding the fact that it was published in 1908 - 7 years into the reign of Edward VII - it seems to reflect Edwardian society more. As indeed it ought to. Plutonium27 20:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll remove the paragraph. If there are objections it can always be restored later. ssepp^(talk) 18:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree it is possibly more Edwardian than Victorian, as motor cars were rarer in Queen Victoria's lifetime than Edward VII's reign, and a verse in a poem Toad recites to himself refers to a queen waiting at Buckingham Palace for someone who might either be the King (Victoria only had a Prince Consort) or Kitchener, who was a rising military star then after the Boer War.Cloptonson (talk) 18:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 1985 film, I saw in '84

I saw the 1985 film in 1984 on television. I still have the video cassette of it (I taped it). It was definitely '84 as it had advertisements in it that could only have been screened in 1984 (including mention of the 1984 Australian Olympic team going to LA).

Was it screened earlier in Australia and other countries???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.94.167.145 (talk) 14:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The was a live action series in, I think, the mid 70's. Animals not people. I think it was derived from the Wind in the Willows characters, but I don't now recall how closely. Does anyone remember this?124.197.15.138 (talk) 08:13, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Importance scale

I'm going through some WikiProject Children's literature articles and I noticed that this article was rated High importance. However, I think that it should be Top importance, as it's a classic in children's literature. Any comments? Mr. Absurd (talk) 04:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jolly good idea. Xxanthippe (talk) 11:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]

An initial flop?

(Question transferred to Titled section) I've heard that Wind in the Willows initially flopped, but was revived by A. A. Milne and his stage adaptation of Toad of Toad Hall. Does anyone know anything more about this? -- Alex Watson 21:26, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

If it is any help, I have just read a chapter called 'A Household Book' in A A Milne's book 'Not That It Matters', ^[1], in which he recommends the Wind in the Willows to his readers. I believe the chapters were each published as a column in the newspaper he wrote for at the time, but I can't remember what it was. I can't reproduce the relevant bit from the chapter, as it is still within copyright, but Milne says that most people had heard of Grahame's books The Golden Age and Dream Days, but almost none of the hundreds of people he had spoken to over a period of 10 to 12 years knew of Wind in the Willow, so he always recommended to them. Milne then goes on to say that it is a Household Book, by which he means it will be loved by everyone in a household.

Hope this has been of some use. Queencole (talk) 10:20, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The lede currently states "The Wind in the Willows was in its thirty-first printing when then-famous playwright, A. A. Milne, who loved it, adapted a part of it for stage as Toad of Toad Hall in 1929." Thirty-three printings in 21 years suggests the book was fairly successful. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 19:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Minerva edition 1919

Additional miscellany item (prior to redistribution)

I'd support the redistribution of the items currently listed under the Miscellany section into expanded text elsewhere, but pending that, an additional item I'll note here is the existence of the short-lived American folk-rock band The Wind in the Willows, which included the pre-Blondie Debbie Harry, and whose eponymous and only album included (as Side One, Track Five) "There Is But One Truth, Daddy" incorporating textual recitation from the book, and whose sleeve art (by Howard Bernstein) included depictions of the books's four main characters. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 19:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is the Editions Section Necessary?

Not only does the Editions section look incomplete, but don't many of the entries just read like advertisments for recently published editions? 86.156.184.219 (talk) 02:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion of title

I always thought that this book was called "The wind 'and' the willows." Personally i feel it has a better ring to it. Maybe there could be a part of the article that references this misconception and outlines it as blantently wrong? 32.152.157.247 (talk) 19:36, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reassment

I'm rating this as B in it's current state. In my opinion the plot section is too long, and some of the Wikilinks need to be finessed so they don't look so messy. Also, the quote under literary analysis is nice, but it isn't actually analyzing the book as a literary piece, so it's misnamed, I think.

But there's a lot of info in here, and it's pretty well organized. If someone wanted to clean it up I think they could nominate it for GA or FA. Good work, everybody! Tlqk56 (talk) 00:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Disney Ride Closed

According to Wiki, the ride closed over a decade ago- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Toad%27s_Wild_Ride — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.93.121.109 (talk) 19:16, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article Balance

Putting the ~~cat~~ weasel among the ~~pigeons~~ toads, is it just me or does this article now look out of balance re. the 'Adaptions' section is getting waaaayyyy toooooo long:) - could this be turned into a separate list?, although quite a few are redlinks, so are they notable? Also, we need to keep an eye on the popular culture section which can easily get out of hand. Comments? Coolabahapple (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. For a start I suggest that all unsourced material could be removed. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:51, 5 June 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Agreed. If it's not referenced remove it. Who cares that a record label was named after Mr Toad anyway, and what does that bit of trivia tell us about the book? The separate list for adaptions is a good idea too. Richerman (talk) 09:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:The Wind in the Willows/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Needs plot summary and a fuller discussion of the context of writing/reception. --Sordel 16:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 16:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 08:30, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Cornwall

I'm no literary expert but i've always been told that the Wind in the Willows was written by Grahame whilst on holiday in the Greenbank Hotel, Falmouth and set in northeast Cornwall close to Lerryn and Fowey - however the wiki article mentions only the Thames Valley rather than the Fal Estuary ? These sources at least appears to agree with what I've always believed : http://www.bbc.co.uk/cornwall/content/articles/2008/02/05/aboutcornwall_windinthewillows_feature.shtml https://www.greenbank-hotel.co.uk/our-hotel/history/wind-in-the-willows/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/cornwall/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8983000/8983255.stm http://www.kennethgrahamesociety.net/locations.htm

Reception

The reception page is pretty short, and only really contains one review of Wind in the Willows after it was initially released. Is there a reason why the article doesn't contain a variety of receptions?Chw53 (talk) 17:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Literature

So basically 185.187.76.27 (talk) 12:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Classsic"

"The Wind in the Willows is a classic children's novel by the British novelist Kenneth Grahame, first published in 1908."

Is it ok to call something a "classic" as a factual statement in an encyclopedia? Isn't it more of a subjective thing rather than saying "it is widely regarded as a classic"? I'm asking out of curiosity. Dornwald (talk) 22:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dornwald - if the sources call it a classic, and they do, then so can we. KJP1 (talk) 10:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Minerva edition 1919

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