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Is the Q7 the A7? I hadn't heard that they were one and the same... --SFoskett 00:30, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

No they are not. The A7 is a coupe. I didn't see it mentioned in the article, though. Bok269 23:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is Audi watching this article or something?

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Ahem? According to this article, the MMI is a "user-friendly" interface. Nevermind that Car & Driver and Consumer Reports both reviewed the system throughly and said it was nothing short of demonically possessed.

Worse, I have the MMI in my A8, and its demonically possessed as well (nevermind the gearbox).

I think this article needs clean-up, besides "user-friendly" is a subjective term anyway so it must go.

the idrive, mercedes' thingy, and the MMI are all "user-friendly".. thats what the companies call them, but many say they are not.. i agree, we should remove it.. ??

Hello, of course this is a big Audi advertising :)

Stef

--World arm lamp 20:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pedestrians safety

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Hello

Please, in this article there is detailed information about a aluminium interior trim and nothing about the drivers visibility and pedestrians safety.

what is more important ??.

I do not own this car but sometimes i have to deal with it in the traffic.

Stef

--World arm lamp 20:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox is wrong

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The manufacturer is the Audi AG, not Volkswagen. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_Q7 Can anybody fix it? Thanks 'n' regards from Gool Old Germany —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.97.199.168 (talk) 18:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Thanks for the tip off, i corrected "Audi" to "Audi AG" as someone already changed it from VW Jenova20 11:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Audi Q3?

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This article says there will be no other Q-series Audi. What about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_Q3 ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.156.53 (talk) 13:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - not taking credit as i didn't do this, but it's done Jenova20 11:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Safety ratings

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Let's take this debate once and for all.

This article revision shows tables with safety ratings by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and IIHS, apparently for model year 2015 : 2015 Audi Q7 (NHTSA) and 2015 Audi Q7 Large SUV / 2008 Audi Q7 (IIHS) , but they are based on older crash tests : IIHS says "Ratings shown are the latest available for this model year" and "Applies to 2007-15 models". For NHTSA, 2011-2015 show same roll-over rating but no reference, whereas 2007-2010 all reference the same 2007 Side Crash document number #5852, 10MB for rollover.

It is common; see these other examples of ratings spanning multiple years from the same test : Mercedes E 2014-2016, Buick Regal 2012-2016, 2016 Infiniti QX60 2014-2016 (set up newest and oldest test in separate windows side by side to compare document numbers)

Audi (and other car manufacturers) pay for the tests, so they only perform the tests when necessary. When new test is not necessary, they carry results over from year to year rather than pay for a new test with the same result. Q7 and Cayenne has not been crash tested in USA after 2011, perhaps piggybacking on the 2011 Touareg test as they share the same PL71 platform. IIHS has chosen to explicitly display 2008 result for 2015 model, NHTSA indirectly so.

Whatever the case, Wikipedia goes by Verifiability, not truth; all content must rely on reliable sources, not opinions by individual WP editors. NHTSA and IIHS are generally considered to be very reliable sources. If NHTSA has made a mistake, it is up to Audi to contact them. Until then, NHTSA shows Q7 with a rollover risk of

Long story short; NHTSA and IIHS are reliable sources, and they say the 2015 Q7 has these ratings. If you have reason to believe otherwise, please supply source. TGCP (talk) 10:53, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The 2015 model year Audi Q7 is the first generation not the second generation, the data applies only to the first generation and does not belong in the second gen section. Also the results carry over year to year within a generation, they do not carry over to the next generation. As of now the IIHS and NHTSA have not published results for the second generation Q7. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolipopprag (talk • contribs) 11:00, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Let me spell that out for you again: NHTSA and IIHS *have* published results for 2015 Q7 : 2015 Audi Q7 (NHTSA) and 2015 Audi Q7 Large SUV / 2008 Audi Q7 (IIHS) "Applies to 2007-15 models" - read the sources; it says so right there. It is the choice of Audi and IIHS to carry over results. TGCP (talk) 11:13, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, the results go in the first gen, I will fix that. TGCP (talk) 11:16, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Audi Q7 great example

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Nim has since retired so I'm wrapping this up - I have no desire to scroll through the arguements to find the comments/consensus so I'm closing as Consensus is to continue using Vauxfords image (which has been used for quite some time and without issue), If anyone disagrees with the image then fire up an RFC. –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 00:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hi everyone, I hope you are all having a Merry Xmas and a happy new year !!

I was going through a few edits and found that in some articles such as List of sport utility vehicles, there happens to be (in my honest opinion) an image that does not look up to par. Ok now this is my personal opinion, however I have found a nice assortment of images which I would like to discuss with everyone, more importantly Vauxford, Charles01, Mr.choppers and Davey2010. Look, I know we have reach consensus as per WP:CONSENSUS, however this was a 2 way only discussion, and to ensure reduced bias, I have decided as per this and this one (This is however a different issue altogether) discuss with everyone. I will however not replace the current version (Vauxford's) for the front and rear, because for mine, I did the front view shot (I did the rear but it was damaged, so chose not to upload). I've identified the faults of the images, so therefore it would be nice to rank them from best to worst. I've listed the faults below, based on my opinions.

  • Current and most used one. The problem I experience with this photo is of the dramatic tilt and also the pillar behind the car is very distracting i.e. in my opinion it looks like the car is wearing a hat which of course may be perplexed. Also the pixels are of concern, but I'm sure thats just one only factor. Remember, even the low end cameras can still produce awesome shots. Another issue is the image is very noisy. The car behind isn't too much concern, but compared to the other three, it is identified as a fault. However the rear shot of the car is no problem, its much clearer and also would be suitable for the article. Also the rear end is tilted and blurry as a result.
    Current and most used one. The problem I experience with this photo is of the dramatic tilt and also the pillar behind the car is very distracting i.e. in my opinion it looks like the car is wearing a hat which of course may be perplexed. Also the pixels are of concern, but I'm sure thats just one only factor. Remember, even the low end cameras can still produce awesome shots. Another issue is the image is very noisy. The car behind isn't too much concern, but compared to the other three, it is identified as a fault. However the rear shot of the car is no problem, its much clearer and also would be suitable for the article. Also the rear end is tilted and blurry as a result.
  • This is the suggested example. The reason being is because it does not have anything growing behind it and also has a decent background. It also has a good pixel range, but remember I do not care too much about it. Some of my photos are from my Nikon camera or iPhone 7 Plus. The only problems I can identify out of the four options is I did not take the shot at a prescribed height, rather I took a step back too far resulting in slight distortion.
    This is the suggested example. The reason being is because it does not have anything growing behind it and also has a decent background. It also has a good pixel range, but remember I do not care too much about it. Some of my photos are from my Nikon camera or iPhone 7 Plus. The only problems I can identify out of the four options is I did not take the shot at a prescribed height, rather I took a step back too far resulting in slight distortion.
  • This image taken by M 93 is not too bad. I do like the image because it is clean, focused and also at chest height (the user must be tall, as I'm relatively short) and is well executed. I do however have slight concerns because some of the areas look very dark and also may have relative distractions. I think this and mine are good replacements, but of course everyone can say what they wish.
    This image taken by M 93 is not too bad. I do like the image because it is clean, focused and also at chest height (the user must be tall, as I'm relatively short) and is well executed. I do however have slight concerns because some of the areas look very dark and also may have relative distractions. I think this and mine are good replacements, but of course everyone can say what they wish.
  • Its a decent photo, however this is too reflective as the sun and also the shadow is annoying. Also it looks relatively distracting. However its still a nice photo, but if the user reduced the shadow, then things would work out
    Its a decent photo, however this is too reflective as the sun and also the shadow is annoying. Also it looks relatively distracting. However its still a nice photo, but if the user reduced the shadow, then things would work out

Please could everyone help me out and pick out of the four which would be the best replacement for Vauxford's Audi Q7. All are equally decent, however I would like more opinions, not just mine and Vauxfords. If anyone can spy any better examples, please do not hesitate to add it here. The more examples, we get, it makes life easier for us to identify. Davey2010 & Charles01, since you two are the experts in quality, could you please judge an example and find whether either of the 4 examples would be suitable for use on Wikipedia in the stub articles, such as J-segment, Audi etc. Cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 06:03, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • You ask that we choose between these four. I don't understand why you pick on these four. They're all quite good as examples of things not to do, but otherwise.... Anyway, here goes:
I haven't worked out why you want to replace a picture by Vauxford. If his is one of these it would be helpful to know which one it is. If his is not one of these, then why have you not included it?
The one on the left is overexposed. Loss of detail. The automatic camera was more interested in the hedge, I think. Not a bad hedge, though I agree the piece of gate post apparently emerging from the roof is unhelpful. Zoom setting? Or is it just that someone put the wall in the wrong place? Angle not wonderful. Photographer should have placed camera slightly higher. It's a tall car. Also, if you want to tilt the car, it's more attractive if you tilt slightly towards the viewer than if you insist on tilting slightly away from the viewer.
The second one would also be better if the photographer had stood a little higher. But it's not as bad in that respect as the first one. Also the photographer has managed to avoid over-exposing the white car. One or two odd reflections in the windows, but not too much in your face. Background interesting for the wrong reasons. Is that a giant finger print on the grey wall? If wheels are turned it is usually better, for a portrait shot, if they are turned towards the viewer rather than away from him/her, though that is only slightly apparent in this case. And maybe I'm simply being deceived by a little bit of zoom distortion which is a bit of an on-going theme with this photographer (tho ... there are plenty that are worse!)
The third one would be better if the sun had been moved clockwise. Right now front underexposed, hood/bonnet overexposed. He's got the side pretty well, though. And he's persuaded his camera not to take an unhealthy interest in the trees behind: that's not always so easy. The adjacent white Audi into which the subject merges is a MAJOR negative for me, though.
The fourth one is at first blush the most pleasing. Niceish angle (though one that I find one only sometimes gets away with). Background interesting without being overwhelming or messy. Clearest of these four images as far as the front of the car is concerned. And it's an interesting front. BUT this one is badly let down by reflections on the bodywork. And there's a distracting something on the foregound on the right side edge. Easy to cover over with grass using a manipulation programme, but less so with these trendy block-paving surfaces.

There are a lot of pictures of Audi Q7s in Wikipedia Commons. On a quick glance there appear several there without significant issues. Replacing a picture by Vauxford or by EurovisionNim is not a bad thing to want to do. They have both inflicted far too many of their mediocre images on wikipedia, thereby drowning out the relatively small number they have uploaded that are ok or good. But you don't begin to reverse the overall impact of their contributions by simply setting up discussions about replacing one mediocre picture with another. There must be a few pictures of these cars without obvious issues in Commons. Maybe there are even one or two that are good. Please, go find. Happy days Charles01 (talk) 09:23, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cool Charles01, so if you were in my shoes, which would be the best option out of these 4. Please let me know. We need to decide out of the four chosen shots, which of them would be the best for replacing Vauxford's image. Unfortunately, these four are the only suitable examples. Please let me know. Please stop insulting me because of my height, I'm not a tall person 😓. Also the zoom distortion is because I use long lens, i use two lens, a 18-55mm and a 55-250mm. The latter causes more distortion, which I apologise. Could you please suggest how to fix it on Photoshop? --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:27, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the distracting fingerprint as based on Charles01 on mine. Also I did a minor tilt fixup. Cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 10:19, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is eye-wateringly irrelevant. You're not meant to apologise for setting your lens inappropriately. You're meant to find and use better pictures, especially given the extent to which you insist on dumping pictures that you have taken all over wikipedia, and especially given the extent to which - no doubt with blessed exceptions - the quality of your pictures does not seem to change very much. I'm sure you have taken some excellent pictures and put them ... somewhere: but ... I don't think the one you want us to evaluate here are among the excellent ones. This is not a personal thing to you or anyone else. It's about not degrading wikipedia! If your height bothers you - and we all have things about ourselves that bother us - please talk to an appropriate therapist about it. I would not dream of "insulting [you] because of [your] height" (a matter on which, till now, I had no evidence and a matter in which even now that you tell us about it, as far as I can figure out, I have no reason to take too much interest). What a very odd accusation. And one for which I think you probably should wish to apologise. We can all do self-pity, but really, this is not the place for it! However, I make no apology for taking the opportunity which you present us with to draw your attention to the way in which your unconventional view of yourself appears to be affecting your judgment adversely when you submit contribution to wikipedia if as, in my judgement, it does here.
What I was hoping you would read and maybe even address is what I wrote about the pictures, one of which you say you think should be used to head up the article in place of another one that, for your own reasons, you do not want to use, apparently because it is a photograph by your former chum Vauxford. That is what you asked me to do. I will repeat my conclusion in case, this time, you will wish to display the courtesy to read it and think about it. You might learn something, and you won't know unless you try. None of the pictures you propose is particularly good. They all have rather obvious issues. That's my opinion. Do you disagree? In the event that you want to improve the wikipedia entry on this car you should try and find another better one. Probably there are already several better ones already in commons.
AND have a nice day! It seems to be Christmas again. Queue overeating! Charles01 (talk) 10:55, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are most welcome to add to the gallery examples you find good. I don't mind at all. We will get Vauxford to make his own decision and base it on the image choice. It'd be no point removing the top half, as this won't really be much of an improvement. I wasn't insulting you, I was having a joke stating why my shots are like that so I figured I try this joke out. :). Also there are no other images that would be most suited, so either its between mine, Vauxford's, Dorefers or M 93s. Either of the four would work. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:19, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
EurovisionNim Charles01 Firstly, the picture which I took does look different from my others as this was one of my early photos back when I had my PowerShot. For some reason, Nìm have been getting upset with this particular picture of mine. No hard feelings but No matter how much you seem my photos "mediocre" and "degrading" but your view and your example of a good image is far too inconvenient and I mentioned this several times. Guess you're as bad as Nim when it comes to listening. It not the best photo but useable I think.
Don't be such a pansy Nim, Charles was just describing his problem with the photo. No need to take every critic as a "insult". Vauxford (talk) 12:50, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Vauxford. I was only teasing Charles :). I didn't mean any harm. Besides your image of the Q7 that you took is blurry on one end, which I recall as per this discussion, you complained of my X5, even if looking good is blurry. Also the car behind doesn't really feel like a good choice IMHO. Of course, this is the exact reason why i brought it here to discuss mate, and to add, Charles01 is not able to select the best quality example out of the four choices prescribed to him on this chat, that was concerns me. Hes worse than me actually.
I also would like to note that Charles01 & OSX are the ones who like me are tight on quality images. I do not mind your DSLR images no problem, however I do mind the Powershot examples. Remember if an image is better quality whether it may be pixels or background, then it can be replaced. I've mentioned that to you a few times. Relax man, the main point is your image feels but this is why I brought it for discussion. If I had no problem, i wouldn't be doing this. I think the second one is good. Angle doesn't fully matter. The background is nice and clean. Its Fremantle, I can't help much, with the roads. I think the best thing for you to do is like Pil56 said to you on the Italian Wikipedia that "your" image opinions. But I do like your other shots. The most recent ones are really good don't get me wrong. You, myself, Charles are all great photographers, however images are often subjective in quality :)
I reckon we should use image2 based on suggestion that Davey2010 suggested. I actually don't have any problems with the way you photograph. However you go a little bit too personal with your photos. The pixel quality is essential as well as factors such as the background. Image 2 has a neat background and the black/grey backdrop blends well with the car. I won't replace. Also no, its not being too incovienant, we want the best images possible, and that means high quality examples. Also to note, there are too much visible CA in the photo, therefore linking to the fact that the quality of the image is distorted. Whilst its useable (I only took the front, so I'll use your ones in the later sections). I'll get Davey2010 to choose which of the image will be used. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:58, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"I reckon we should use image2 based on suggestion that Davey2010 suggested" - Well ofcourse you're going to say that it's your image, Also we need to agree on a photo ... You cannot just say "Yeah lets go with Dave" and thus ignoring everyone else - If everyone says image 2 then great but if not then we wait untill a consensus can be reached. –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 13:31, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok my apologies Dave. Anyway, can we get another user say Areaseven to come and have a look. Like me, she is strict with the quality of the images that is used. However she isn’t fussed about CARPIX guidelines so she’d be a good help. Let’s do that and I’ll let other users to come and help out. Mr.choppers would be interested so do you want me to leave a msg on the talk page? Cheers —EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 15:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"She"? Really? - Areaseven (talk) 15:09, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies again Areaseven. But please can you find which of the four images that are presented would be the best example? That’s what we need help with. Is that okay. Is just that we need to find out by consensus which do them are the best choice for use. —EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 15:40, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm gonna abstain on this consensus, mate, on the grounds that 1) The current images on the article are fine for now; and 2) I find it very difficult to take you seriously as an editor, especially with your gender-bending post above and how you insist your pictures (or at least your choice of pictures) are better than everyone else's, or when you once waltzed around a car article saying it was your "least favourite car". - Areaseven (talk) 17:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have nothing else to say other then seeing all this gave me a good laugh. Personally the picture is fine as it was, I know I'm a little bias since I was the one who took it. I still haven't got a respond from Charles01, seeing his unrealistic approach and exception when it comes to photographing these cars, I'm beginning to take less and less of what he said seriously. As I said above, it just isn't feasible. --Vauxford (talk) 17:35, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to cheer up your Christmas break, Vauxford. And at risk of drifting off topic myself I am sorry you had been waiting for my answer to something you wrote before. I did not answer because I mistook your question for a rhetorical cry of frustration. I did not realise it was a serious question expecting a serious answer. I thought the answer must be obvious. I was wrong. It wasn't. Sorry. Here's something I just read on wikipedia: "The English Wikipedia, the largest language edition, as of December 2018 had 131,728 editors who have performed an edit in the last 30 days ("active users")" Several thousand of those "active users" have cameras. There is no logic in thinking you're doing anyone favours by pretending to yourself that you're the only man in the world with a camera. If you upload the best 1% of your own pictures you will probably improve the quality of wikipedia. If you upload the best 2,3 or maybe even 5% - I cannot judge the proportion - you may still improve the quality of wikipedia. If you upload 50% of them or 100% of them you won't. It's not you. It's all of us. You will never get the perfect lighting, the perfect camera settings and the perfect background every time. But quite often conditions are ok for a reasonable picture, and it's only when you get home to see what you've got that you can hope to come up with even a half decent assessment of whether any of your latest crop of pictures ended up being any good. And which ones. And where you take your pictures in places that you know well, you'll get to remember the times of day at which the sun is in the best place in each of your preferred locations with your preferred streetscapes or other backgrounds. And as your self judgment develops, you will become better at working out which of your pictures worked out just fine, not in terms of what I think but in terms of what you think. And you'll be able to tell yourself - and others listening - why you think what you think. With so many contributors over the years, at least where pictures of cars are concerned, I think the days are long gone when anyone should still be prioritizing quantity over quality. Sorry to lecture. But I sensed - slightly unexpectedly to me - that you were pressing for an answer. That's mine. Sorry I appeared to ignore your comments on this earlier. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 20:09, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Vauxford. This is where half our problems lie. You always assume that your images are fine, and you need to realise I have limited areas to photograph cars. You always assume that your images are 'fine', which can be annoying because its just causing inconvienence to others who want to contribute. You need to start taking other users seriosuly and the advice they are giving you. Wikiproject has guidelines in place for us to guide on the best photos. Unfortunately, your image is not the best quality because of the annoying pillar and also its too blurry at the rear. Unlike the other three, your one has a car behind which is extremely inconvenient and also it ruins the photo. I understand, this does happen to me as well, but you seem to be stubborn over the quality of your images. I do not have any issues over the DSLR ones, however I do have an issue with your Powershot & Samsung images (except the interiors). It seems you intend on driving away other car spotters, rather you'd be focusing on your examples only. Don't take this personally, as this is part of what i see :). Charles01 and OSX are some of the most experienced car photographers and also these people I've always relied on to help with photos. You need to learn to stop showing bias to your photos. Isn't mine good enough? Aren't there any other users that can contribute? Also Charles01, what do you mean in your comment where you weren't able to vote for an image? Look Vauxford, I do not intentionally try to upset you, I want to have the best quality images possible and I know by looking through countless images in Commons, that mine would be the best choice. The only fault is the camera height, but thats such a small concern, compared to yours which has too much noise, the annoying pillar and is blurry at one end and is too much of a tilt --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 00:35, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim You seem to get so worked up over this single image. I'm all sound of taking people's advice and no intention of driving them away. Like I said, I have not have any direct problems by people with this image expect from you. "I have limited areas to photograph cars" you are still borrowing words of things that I was concern with your photos back in September and flip it so it directed towards me, you thought Fremantle was the utopia to photograph any car and thought they were the best, don't try and sweep your flaws under the rug just because you have "changed" for 2019 because you still have and this "sophisticated editor" persona you trying to show is just blowing up right in your face. There nothing then supporting your own image to some extend. I do take a dislike with your photos as I simply describe carbon copy of mine which I personally deem you put little effort when it come to thinking independently and instead leeching off on folks like Charles or infamously OSX.

EDIT: Seeing now that you are dragging more people into this discussion which I find unnecessary and Charles pointed this out as well. Are you gonna do this on every image (it no coincidence that they are all taken by me) as a new attempt to get your own way? --Vauxford (talk) 01:14, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I quite noticed on the pictures that looked very similar though, but the current one and the most used picture shows some distractions on the left side of the photo (rear of the car). I can barely see an parked vehicle on the said picture. While on the 2nd picture looks fine and since it doesn't have annoying distractions and it can be ready to be used in the article of the Audi Q7. I highly recommend this picture since this one looks better than the one with distractions. Also the 3rd picture by M 93 looks nice too. I suggest using the Q7 picture by EurovisionNim. Because the picture is totally highly detailed and no obstructions like cars parked at the rear. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 01:34, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: I suggest relocating the top picture to the 2nd gerneration section of the article since the both pictures are in the same article. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 01:40, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As a addition of what Victor said, this does not mean it okay to get replace the current image. I still don't see why it such a big deal to you because it still being used in some form regardless, I told you this months back but you seem to be unable to get it around your head. --Vauxford (talk) 02:08, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No Vauxford. I will not be using this as a way to get my own way. You always seem to be always having your own way and making sure you are the best. Have you even read WP:CONSENSUS? Thats a policy I'm getting familiar with and seeing with other users should be using. My image I know is highly detailed and I carefully select what to upload, but you seem to be making sure your images are able to be showcased instead of others, rather making them focusing on their shots. Look, sometimes people disagree with me such as in the case of User_talk:Charles01#Better_example._(I'll_get_Vauxford_onto_it). This one Charles01 disagreed with my shot, which I had no problems with, because I knew I'd be getting a second opinion. You need to understand WP:3RR, WP:BRD & WP:REVERT (thats not an official policy, but its important). Remember what we are doing now is based on Wikipedia's pillars. I'm sorry I can't come to an agreement with you, but reverting back to your own version doesn't work like that. WP:BRD is an essential guideline as it links to WP:BOLD & Wikipedia:Consensus. It doesn't matter if I take a photo like yours, everyone has the right to contribute. If I do a carbon copy of yours, so be it. I was doing this exactly for the same time I was on Wikipedia. Its ironic that you and I have the same photographic styles, but its no harm in doing so. Everyone can 'leech' onto others. I don't think I need to change my behaviour. I can focus on whatever cars I wish. Also Vauxford, could you stop calling OSX infamous. He was the main reason I began car photography, and he was the one who mentored me. In addition, your personal opinions can be kept to yourself as opposed to showing it here. Other users haven't complained to me about it. Its essential that we as Wikipedians share. Like Kevauto, if I were to upload only Australian exclusive cars, then I'd find no point contributing as then I'd be limited in choices. I think mine would be the best possible choice as a replacement for yours. Have a read of the wiki policies I sent you. And the fact remains, that it wasn't me who wanted to do these, it was Davey2010 based on WP:BRD. Stop accusing me for stuff I cannot control such as photo shots. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 02:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
EDIT: Also Vauxford, I would like to replace your example in the stubs, such as List of sport utility vehicles & J-segment. Thats why I came here for discussion. I wanted some opinions on which of the four are good replacements for the articles concerned. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 02:11, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So now you are starting to use "EDIT:" on things all because I been saying it recently, typical coming from you. I guess I might as well tell you that you should keep what you think to yourself if that the case, but I won't. So because you half read some guidelines you seem to have the right to lecture me repeatedly like I don't know any better, you are already making a fool of yourself as it is as a result of that. Also why are you pinging OSX? Is that your distress call of a slight chance he will intervene in all this? --Vauxford (talk) 02:19, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nim my friend, These "RFC"s need to stop ..... There were issues with you edit warring hence the BRD suggestion ...You've started discussions instead and that's great however on each and every discussion that you start it is always turning into an arguement and it all gets derailed ... so what about this .... You don't replace Vauxfords images with yours and you stop coming to talkpages and pinging the life out of everyone?,
I'm certainly not prepared to sit here every other day !voting on what image looks fine .... and the way this is all going you're both going to end up at ANI,
So Nim - You should stop reguarly changing images or replacing them (especially Vauxfords) and Vauxford you should stop replacing Nims images (if you don't do this then ignore this).
–Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 03:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Davey2010, I don't understand why this is causing edit war between Nim and Vauxford. If this is the case, as I've mention above is that I suggest relocating Vauxford's Q7 picture to the second generation section and Nim's picture to the top infobox of the Audi Q7 page. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 06:43, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also VictorTorres2002, I would like to know if I can replace Vauxford's image with the edit summary "Australian November image was discussed via consensus and it was determined that the Australian image is of higher quality as based on a comprehensive discussion. If you wish to revert, please see discussion first." Also mate, I can use this for the other articles as a replacement for Vauxford's. Cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 06:45, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
EurovisionNim, It might depend on Vauxford's decision if he will allow me to relocate his picture to the second generation section with your picture relocated to the top infobox of this page. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 07:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Its actually your decision, why don't you go ahead. He probably won't revert based on this discussion. Its not just his own website, its everyone on this chat. See WP:BOLD VictorTorres2002 --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 07:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC).[reply]
EurovisionNim, Thanks a lot man. :-) VictorTorres2002 (talk) 07:41, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have come up with a compromise in regards, as both are equally high quality: (As suggested by SquiddyFish:
  • I can use this one for the foreign Wikipedias as they would like to use this.
    I can use this one for the foreign Wikipedias as they would like to use this.
  • This can be used for the English Wikipedia, Simple Wikipedia and the Wikidata infoboxes
    This can be used for the English Wikipedia, Simple Wikipedia and the Wikidata infoboxes
This would make life a lot easier and also would be good examples. I would like to do that. I hope thats ok with everyone :) Vauxford, Davey2010, VictorTorres2002 how about that? I think it'd be for the better and to prevent the discussion from going out of control. I want to settle peace, but that'd only work with a compromise. Besides the majority voted on the Australian image, so shouldn't that be the one that we use? Also whoever created the photo doesn't matter, what matter is the image is higher quality, which I know mine is out of a lot of examples I have found on Commons. Besides even if I were to replace your examples for the stubs on the foreign Wikipedia, you will still have your image in use because unlike your one, the rear is good so don't need to retake whilst I did only the front view so it should be a compromise we split the use of the images as I suggested underneath the image --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 08:31, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
EurovisionNim, I've edited the page a few hours ago. I've relocated the pictures from their respective infoboxes to their new spot. And it's fine if the photo that Vauxford shot will be used in Foreign Wikipedia. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 12:05, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I confused you didn't I VictorTorres2002? No, I mean't my image is going to be used in articles like Audi, List of sport utility vehicles & J-segment. I would like your opinion before replacing it. There will be no further reverts after this, unless its been approved on this discusson page, along with the wikidata infoboxes and the Simple Wikipedia article on Audi Q7. Is that good enough to explain? Like this, this, and the other ENWP articles along with this. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:08, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
EurovisionNim, In my opinion, Your pictures are quite better than Vauxford's pictures because the pictures you've tooked are totally high-quality and very highly detailed (the latter goes to Vauxford's pictures which looks great also especially the license plates are censored). But I've both liked your and Vauxford's pictures. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 13:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I really want to compromise. I am happy 😃 with the photos however i mentioned it firmly that I think to be fair with each other, I think we can use mine for the EnWP, Simple Wikipedia and Wikidata infoboxes, whilst Vauxford’s can be used for the foreign Wikipedia’s which I don’t have interest in. It’s a deal which would work for everyone and I think we can close it up and do so. —EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 13:39, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like this "compromise" of yours. I think the images are fine as they were. They are still being used some way or another. --Vauxford (talk) 16:47, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately Vauxford, your image is very grainy as seen by your Audi Q5 photo. This way by laying out a comrpomise, we are able to use both images which are of equal quality. I'm not going to really continue much anymore editing, as I don't see the value of my images being used. I cannot focus on Australian cars exclusively, as then you'd be having more of a chance. Thats my only concern and also the bollards. The majority have decided the Australian Audi was the better example, so I want to use that as suggested. Please do not make any further reverts when I replace it back as this was discussed as a majority. If everyone agreed with yours, then I would end the discussion and leave as is. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 00:12, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim No, the "majority" haven't agreed with yours, only at least one, which was Victor. The rest either picked a different one or at this point doesn't care because at this point is futile. --Vauxford (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, that also includes Davey2010. So thats 3 votes. In respect, why do you believe yours is better? Please explain. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 00:20, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You do not count because it your own photo! This was before he knew this was going to spiral into yet another argument, this is no where near reached a consensus. --Vauxford (talk) 00:23, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Look Vauxford, I am not going to be continuing this argument. I think for the best of everyone here, its best I retire. I don't see how I can contribute much with the limits you are restricting me. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 00:24, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protection of page

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So, I noticed that a wave of (possible) sockpuppets have been changing the size to mid-size. IT'S A FULL-SIZE. But no matter how many times I revert their edits they keep on carrying on. So I was wondering if you could semi-protect the page for a few months so this whole thing can stop. 73.2.129.126 (talk) 13:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Absurd "mid-sized" claim

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This is one of the largest passenger cars on the road anywhere that isn't the US or Canada. It is objectively enormous. Calling it "mid-sized" is an insult to reader's intelligence. The fact that a Boeing 747 is smaller than the Spruce Goose doesn't make the 747 a medium-sized plane. Reliable sources call it "huge" (and those were just the first three I grabbed off of Google) because that is an objective description of its size. If I was being "subjective and unencyclopedic" I would skip the reliable sources and call it "a buffoonishly-large zeppelin on wheels". HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 17:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not really taking any sides, but just to offer an insight, the "mid-size" claim is coming from U.S. publications:
Also a bulk of Q7 sales were coming from the U.S. (source 1, source 2). Again, just offering an insight.
- Andra Febrian (talk) 18:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sources can be cited with in-prose attribution regarding how large they think it is, but it seems the article cannot make any claims regarding the size in wikivoice. Personally I think we should be doubting the reliability of any source that doesn't call it at the very least "large", however. Such a claim gives the impression of a writer that has not actually seen a Q7 in person or even just looked up its dimensions. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted the adjective "huge" as inappropriate for an encyclopedia. I would prefer the industry-standard terms of full-size, mid-size or large, whichever reliable sources state. Personally, I would be in favor of removing that description completely. Bahooka (talk) 18:55, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Guardian and the Sunday Times both call the first-generation model "vast". I'm not sure where you're going to find more reliable sources than those. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 19:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I think we should be doubting the reliability of any source that doesn't call it at the very least "large", however. - I have a problem with this. I think it boils down to where the publication is based on, not the reliability of the publication. To U.S.-based publications, SUVs in this size are mid-size SUVs because the "full-size" distinction is reserved to gigantic SUVs over 5.2 m in length, which Europe doesn't have, so over there it is called large. Andra Febrian (talk) 07:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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