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Fringe claims regarding Manchester United and Old Trafford

@Spiderfreezone, I am politely requesting that you familiarize yourself with our guideline regarding significant opinions and WP:FRINGE claims. A reliable source alone is not always enough for a statement to be notable by Wikipedia standards. That is because some claims and contrary opinions are not accepted by mainstream sources. You are giving significant weight to an unsubstantiated statement by Jane Hardwick who asserts that as a teenager she performed You'll Never Walk Alone at an unspecified game following the Munich air disaster and "soon the whole ground was singing it", bringing people to tears. There are serious problems with this report. Firstly, Hardwick is the only person making this assertion - no independent person has ever stepped forward supporting her anecdotal account and there is not a scrap of documentary evidence it ever happened (eg. newspaper reports, match day magazine notes). On the contrary, authors such as Jim White have investigated similar claims that YNWA was performed at Old Trafford following the Munich air crash yet discovered zero evidence to support them. Secondly, Hardwick herself has since cast doubt on the reliability of the Manchester Evening News article, leading Graham Phythian to report that her printed remarks were exaggerated. Most crucially of all, the overwhelming vast majority of reliable sources pay no heed to Jane Hardwick and contemporary historians tracing the history of this song pay even less attention to her. So I must insist in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines that you produce a considerable number of references, including specialist sources, that afford significant weight to Hardwick's uncorroborated account. — Niche-gamer 19:46, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

However I note that the Liverpool FC section of the article provides no specialist sources as citations either. In fact it relies solely on newspaper references and also oral accounts that are unsubstantiated. So either these are acceptable references or they arent? Jicque (talk) 19:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is wise to note that there is video footage showing United fans in the old Stretford End singing You'll Never Walk Alone. This would help back the claims of Jane Hardwick, which means it could possibly have been sung in 1958 after the tragic Munich Air Disaster, before it was adopted by Liverpool in 1963. There are also many others online who claim they were there, and that it was sung throughout the 60s 70s and even as recently as the 80s, but it wasn't recognized because of the success of Liverpool during that era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:1F0B:D900:89C6:9F49:CE64:48E3 (talk) 17:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You’ll Never Walk Alone86.158.108.215 (talk) 15:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Fans of Liverpool FC were the third uk football Team supporters to sing this song. Manchester United were first post the Munich air disaster, Celtic FC fans were next then Liverpool. Celtic fans were the first team to continually sing this song. There is a long history of Liverpool fans copying the trend setting Celtic fc fans, from the huddle to the fields of athenry.