Talk:Chechen language

Family

I believe Chechen is an Indo-European language, but I'm not really sure. Does anyone know, and can you please add whichever family it is into the article? Beginning 11:30, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

No, it is not IE. Bogdan | Talk 11:35, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Okay, so...what is it? Altaic? Beginning 13:30, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

"North Central Caucasian languages". An indigenous family of the Caucasus, with no other relatives. Bogdan | Talk 14:38, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Alphabet

hey wait, so does chechen use the latin or cyrillic alphabet? I am a bit confused by this article's lack of coverage in that subject. --ThrashedParanoid 02:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Both, apparently it's a politically-charged issue. —Felix the Cassowary (ɑe hɪː jɐ) 07:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Using alphabet other than cyrillic is banned by Russian law!--ZZbatam (talk) 14:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

see ru:Чеченский алфавит, http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~chechen/Ch_cyr_ab_table.htm or http://www.omniglot.com/writing/chechen.htm. --Hello World! 14:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Language group

In case anyone was wondering about the language group, Chechen is related to Georgian and several other minor ones.WizardofOskemen 23:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

This is not entirely true. It hasn't been proven yet that Chechen is related to the Georgian language. So far, most linguists deny their relationship. Chechen, however, is related to Ingush, Batsbi, Avar, Tsez and some more... but most likely not to Georgian. — N-true 17:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Chechen is in Nakh group. Nakh is in North-East Caucassian group along with Some Daghestani languages. Some Scholars as I. Starostin and I. Diakonoff put Nakh-Daghestani language family into Alarodian Language Family with Hurrian and Urartean.Liberatium (talk) 11:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Numbers

This article informs us that the language has "about 1,200,000", "about 950,000", and "944,600". Could someone clarify this? Biruitorul 22:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Is chechen language similar to Albanian?

Similarities between Chechens and Albanians

On the internet I found interesting comparation between Chechen and Albanians who call themselves Sqiptars:

CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

• Chechen=aakharkho,Albanian=katundar,English=peasan t
• Chechen=alsamoo,Albanian=me shume,English=more
• Chechen=aagan,Albanian=eker,English=wild
• Chechen=aara dalan,Albanian=jashte dal,English=get out
• Chechen=aaradaqqa,Albanian=terhoqa,English=withdra w
• Chechen=aaradovlilla,Albanian=rrugedalje,English=e xit
• Chechen=aare,Albanian=rrafsh,English=plain
• Chechen=arzha,Albanian=zeze,English=black
• Chechen=aaz,Albanian=ze,English=voice
• Chechen=baarz,Albanian=varr,English=grave
• Chechen=banka,Albanian=burre,English=man
• Chechen=baar,Albanian=arre,English=nut
• Chechen=bashkhan,Albanian=shkelqyer,English=excell ent
• Chechen=bekhka,Albanian=borxh,English=debt,obligat ion
• Chechen=bil ma,Albanian=fal me,English=im sorry
• Chechen=besan,Albanian=zbehte,English=pale
• Chechen=buha,Albanian=buf,English=owl
• Chechen=cham,Albanian=shijshem,English=tasty
• Chechen=yaalla,waala,Albanian=eja,English=come here
• Chechen=chu,Albanian=hyj,English=get in
• Chechen=daago,Albanian=djeg,English=burn
• Chechen=dahiita,Albanian=dergoj,English=send
• Chechen=dehndi,Albanian=gjedhe,English=cattle
• Chechen=dain,Albanian=drite,English=light
• Chechen=daakhkan,Albanian=gjendem,English=located
• Chechen=delqa,Albanian=dreke,English=lunch
• Chechen=dowgha,Albanian=djeges,English=hot
• Chechen=duq,Albanian=aq,English=so many
• Chechen=dyelkha,Albanian=kerkoj,English=to cry
• Chechen=eskar,Albanian=ushtri,English=army
• Chechen=ghaighanii,Albanian=hidheroj,English=make sad
• Chechen=ghaala,Albanian=kala,English=castle
• Chechen=gaalat,Albanian=gabim,English=mistake
• Chechen=ghishto,Albanian=ngrehine,English=building
• Chechen=gharlima,Albanian=ngrirje,English=freezing
• Chechen=goola,Albanian=gju,English=knee
• Chechen=hakkha,Albanian=terheq,English=draw
• Chechen=hoqa,Albanian=kete,English=this
• Chechen=hostam,Albanian=gozhde,English=nail
• Chechen=khalkhar,Albanian=kercej,English=dance
• Chechen=khan,Albanian=kohe,English=time
• Chechen=khasbesh,Albanian=kopesht,English=garden
• Chechen=keeda,Albanian=qetem,English=cut
• Chechen=khena,Albanian=kohe,English=weather
• Chechen=khila,Albanian=qene,English=been
• Chechen=khilam,Albanian=kam,English=have
• Chechen=kho,Albanian=koqeve,English=egg
• Chechen=kog,Albanian=kembe,English=leg,foot
• Chechen=Iighana,Albanian=Inatosur,English=Angry
• Chechen=nana,Albanian=nene,English=mother
• Chechen=Ysh,Albanian=Ishin,english=they were
• Chechen=shu,Albanian=ju,English=you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.76.219 (talk) 06:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

No. Chechen is Northeast Caucasian, while Albanian is Indo-European. The listed pseudo-cognates aren't even very similar when you compare them (I fail to see how "hoqa" and "kete" are similar?). And some of the words in Chechen are even loanwords from other languages. That list is actually quite random and not really interesting. — N-true (talk) 10:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Loanwords? ) Are you sure? You write nonsense, N-true Heshamatak (talk) 21:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

These comparisons are meaningless; apart form the fact that Albanian is already known to be Indo-European, a list of look-alike words is useless without a set of clear and consistent sound-correspondences. Please read on the Comparative Method if you would like further information. Sgmccabe (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Some of them are clearly borrowed. For instance, Chechen=yaalla,waala is from Arabic والله / ياالله. —Stephen (talk) 16:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Some? Where? And it's not borrowed from arabic, dialect form : jolu and yohli -> chechen lowell "yaall". And other words is Chechen and Sino-Caucasian. Read Starostin. Chechen "come here": QUZA HAVOLA , and not "waala" Heshamatak (talk) 18:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

"wala" - "let's" Heshamatak (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Is this somekind of a joke , none of those words are Albanian as much as "kwijibo" is an english word for A fat, balding north-american ape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.156.131 (talk) 00:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I presume the persons who made that list are Serbian nationalist, who try the hardets to make Albanians foreign to balkan as much as posible, but ironically Serbs themselves are believed to be from Caucasus

"Tacitus (ca. 50 AD): described the Serboi tribe near the Caucasus, close to the hinterland into the Black Sea. Many consider this theory as a very probable one taking some distant linguistic similarities with today's Caucausus people's such as Ingushi, Chechens etc."

Dont take me wrong i have a lot of sympathy for Chechens but those language comparison betwen Albanian and Chechen are a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.156.131 (talk) 01:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Palochka

I noticed that this page and a Chechen Wikipedia page both are using the Roman letter "I" for palochka. Shouldn’t this be Cyrillic Ӏ? —Stephen (talk) 22:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The Chechen wikipedia (and also the Avar one, if I'm not mistaken) uses this convention because the Cyrillic "Ӏ" doesn't show up correctly in some fonts and isn't easily accessible on any "national" keyboard layout. Thus, Avars and Chechens commonly use Latin "I" or "1". They indeed look better in most fonts. — N-true (talk) 14:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

44 vowels?

I understand what the articles trying to say (as in, 44 vowels including diphthongs, umlaut, etc.), but most people reading this are just going to say "what the heck, 44 vowels aren't even possible" (not to mention, I'd like to see citation, especially judging as dialects vary hugely on this issue). This should be edited , or removed (and cite it). --Yalens (talk) 16:49, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

We list them right there: a table of 11 pairs of long-short vowels, all of which may be nasalized. kwami (talk) 07:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that they aren't, you know, pure vowels. For example, in most dialects of English, /u/ is realized as /ju/, so words like computer or refute would be better spelt as compyuter and refyute. But the long /u:/, as in "too" (etc.) isn't affected. Yet English language's wiki page counts /ju/, /u:/, etc as all belonging to the phoneme /u/, with different variations. The rhotic varieties of various vowels also aren't counted as separate vowels, but rather as diphthongs between the original vowels and the rhotic schwa. Of course, that page is flawed in a variety of ways, starting with that it mixes British English pronounciation with American, but nonetheless, for the sake of consistency with other pages, only pure vowels should be counted as vowels, I think... --Yalens (talk) 16:24, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, what about the Dutch diphthong /œʏ/, then? I haven't ever heard it be called a variation of some other sound; hell, its nucleus, the /œ/, is even a sound that doesn't exist in Dutch aside from in the diphthong! --JorisvS (talk) 17:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Then it would only be counted as one vowel- that is the case in English with uː, in British English with ɑː, in American English with ɒː, etc); and ɔ and ɜ also occur only in diphthongs. They are, nonetheless, counted as only one vowel. And yes, in English /a/ exists only in the diphthong in my, lie, etc; yet it is still either discounted or even equated to the back unrounded a (as in American bomb, or spa). I really don't think this contradicts anything I've said. And, to note, if we use the same system for the European languages, 44 vowels isn't even remarkable. Yes, it is more than most of the Romance languages, the Slavic languages, etc. But it is equal to or even less then most Germanic and Celtic languages (and in English, I can count far more than 44 vowels including diphthongs, elongated forms, and other such things). For reference, here is the extensively long list of American English vowel forms were we to use this system...

/i/-flaky

/iː/-need

/iɪɚ/or/iɚ/-ear,leer

/iu/or/iʊ/-few,mew (/iuː/ may be separate in view, but I have not counted it here)

/iæ/-marginal; idea

/ju/- puke

/juː/- cue

/ɪ/-bit

/ɪ:/(ɪ before nasal, with sparce exceptions)- limb

/e/-fiance

/eː, though this may be realized identical to eɪ by some speakers/- late

/eɪ/-may

/ɪ̈/ (ɨ by some speakers) - roses, billing

/ɛ/- check

/ɛː/- mend

/ɛʊ/- by some speakers, all aʊ before s, as in house

/ɛɪɚ/- lare ( may instead be /ɛɚ/ in some words, like ferry, I'm not sure on this one though, it really depends...

/æ/- back

/æː/- land

/a/- marginal, father

/aɪ/- lie and live but not life or light

/aɪɚ/- fire

/æʊ/-now and lowsy but not house

/aʊɚ/- hour

/ə/- trouble

/ɚ/- water

/ɝ/- fur, bird

/ɝ:/- learn (may be shortened)

/ʊ̈/- co-operate, capitulation

/u/- do

/uː/-mood

/uɚ/ or /uʊɚ/ - lure

/juɚ/ or /juʊɚ/- pure

/ʊ/-put

/ʊː/-wool

/o/ (it's actually a shortened tripthong of ʌ-o-ʊ)-go

/oː/-boat

/oʊ/-flow

/oɚ/-four, door (may be oʊɚ in some cases?)

/ɔ/-cold

/ɔɪ/-boy.... talk:Yalens|talk]])

/ɔɚ/- more

/ʌ/- suck

/ʌː/- love

/something between ʌ and ə/- about, Chechenia, etc.

/ʌɪ/-night

/ɑ/-rot

/ɑː/-spa

/ɑɪ/-buy (very rare)

/ɑɚ/-far

/ɒ/-caught

/ɒ:/-law...and I"m sure I forgot some... basically what I'm trying to say is that (a) it's not that odd to have a diphthong inventory (especially if the language, like Chechen, English, Swedish, Chinese, etc., has a large numer of basic vowel sounds to start with), (b) it certainly goes against our usual counting of vowels (though it wouldn't be so horrible to say the language has a large diphthong inventory, and this applies not only to Chechen, but also to our rather bad reporting on English). I'm not going to change the article myself though, just saying... --Yalens (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2010 (UTC)74.70.108.251 (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Chechen=bil ma,Albanian=fal me,English=im sorry --> CHECHEN "Qiinter vala" - "I'm sorry" and "BEHKA ma BILLA". Heshamatak (talk) 18:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Edited

1. Chechen=aakharkho,Albanian=katundar,English=peasan t
2. Chechen=alsamoo,Albanian=me shume,English=more -- "ALSAME", "QIDUKKA"
3. Chechen=aagan,Albanian=eker,English=wild -- "AQ"
4. Chechen=aara dalan,Albanian=jashte dal,English=get out -- "AARE DAL"
5. Chechen=aaradaqqa,Albanian=terhoqa,English=withdra w
6. Chechen=aaradovlilla,Albanian=rrugedalje,English=e xit
7. Chechen=aare,Albanian=rrafsh,English=plain
8. Chechen=arzha,Albanian=zeze,English=black
9. Chechen=aaz,Albanian=ze,English=voice
10. Chechen=baarz,Albanian=varr,English=grave
11. Chechen=banka,Albanian=burre,English=man -- "STAG, SAG, KANT"
12. Chechen=baar,Albanian=arre,English=nut
13. Chechen=bashkhan,Albanian=shkelqyer,English=excell ent
14. Chechen=bekhka,Albanian=borxh,English=debt,obligat ion
15. Chechen=bil ma,Albanian=fal me,English=im sorry
16. Chechen=besan,Albanian=zbehte,English=pale
17. Chechen=buha,Albanian=buf,English=owl
18. Chechen=cham,Albanian=shijshem,English=tasty
19. Chechen=yaalla,waala,Albanian=eja,English=come here -- "HAVULA QXUZA" not "waala"
20. Chechen=chu,Albanian=hyj,English=get in
21. Chechen=daago,Albanian=djeg,English=burn
22. Chechen=dahiita,Albanian=dergoj,English=send
23. Chechen=dehndi,Albanian=gjedhe,English=cattle
24. Chechen=dain,Albanian=drite,English=light
25. Chechen=daakhkan,Albanian=gjendem,English=located
26. Chechen=delqa,Albanian=dreke,English=lunch
27. Chechen=dowgha,Albanian=djeges,English=hot
28. Chechen=duq,Albanian=aq,English=so many
29. Chechen=dyelkha,Albanian=kerkoj,English=to cry
30. Chechen=eskar,Albanian=ushtri,English=army -- "SUR", "GHOJ", "BENO" army
31. Chechen=ghaighanii,Albanian=hidheroj,English=make sad
32. Chechen=ghaala,Albanian=kala,English=castle -- "BOW", "BAB", "GHAALA"
33. Chechen=gaalat,Albanian=gabim,English=mistake
34. Chechen=ghishto,Albanian=ngrehine,English=building
35. Chechen=gharlima,Albanian=ngrirje,English=freezing
36. Chechen=goola,Albanian=gju,English=knee
37. Chechen=hakkha,Albanian=terheq,English=draw
38. Chechen=hoqa,Albanian=kete,English=this -- "HARA, IZ"
39. Chechen=hostam,Albanian=gozhde,English=nail
40. Chechen=khalkhar,Albanian=kercej,English=dance
41. Chechen=khan,Albanian=kohe,English=time
42. Chechen=khasbesh,Albanian=kopesht,English=garden
43. Chechen=keeda,Albanian=qetem,English=cut
44. Chechen=khena,Albanian=kohe,English=weather
45. Chechen=khila,Albanian=qene,English=been -- AKK. "HENNA"
46. Chechen=khilam,Albanian=kam,English=have
47. Chechen=kho,Albanian=koqeve,English=egg -- "KHO'A"
48. Chechen=kog,Albanian=kembe,English=leg,foot
49. Chechen=Iighana,Albanian=Inatosur,English=Angry
50. Chechen=nana,Albanian=nene,English=mother
51. Chechen=Ysh,Albanian=Ishin,english=they were - "USH (ISH) BARA" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heshamatak (talk • contribs) 18:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

http://www.quivira-font.com/

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I've added newly added character to the article. it is suitable in quivira font, linked above.--Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 19:43, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

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Name in Georgian script

In the lede, the name of the language is displayed as ნახჩიე მუოთთ in Georgian, but the pronunciation is [ˈnɔx.t͡ʃiːn mu͜ɔt]. If the Georgian writing is supposed to be phonetic, it should be ნოხჩინ მუოთ or ნოხჩიინ მუოთ to fit with the other transliterations. However, I'm not sure if there actually is a different name for it when in the Georgian script, as I am unfamiliar with Chechen; can anybody confirm that the transliteration listed in the article is correct? Snorepion (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Don't repeat words from the title in the short description, please 🌼🌼🌼🌼

This should be self-evident, dear writers. ToniTurunen (talk) 15:28, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

IPA realization of consonants (let's avoid the edit war!)

Pinging @Kimsīn Udájitawæk, @Fdom5997 and @Qarakaqami ali Washkariqavikevemaji to avoid an edit war: what are your reasons for/against the inclusion of the realizations ʡ~ʕ and ʜ~ħ? What are the sources on this? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 14:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

There is no source that states those approximations. Fdom5997 (talk) 19:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)