Talk:Blood, toil, tears and sweat

Misc

Isn't the quote:

"I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this government: "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."

The parts with ministers seems incorrect to me...

Proposed article title change

The use of the serial comma is common in US English, not in Commonwealth English. As Churchill was very precise with his language use, and would not have used American forms, I suggest that this article should be moved to 'Blood, toil, tears and sweat'. I'm changing all references within the article. 86.140.132.49 12:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The Churchill Centre gives the speech as 'Blood, toil, tears and sweat': they should know. 86.140.132.49 12:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and I shall move it.(Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC))

It wouldn't let me, and I now see why not - the speech was originally given by Roosevelt, an American, and not the British Churchill. (Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC))

Radio broadcast of "blood ... sweat" speech

I once heard or read -- in passing -- I don't remember where, that someone with an authoritative voice "voiced" Churhcill's famous speech to Parliament when it was broadcast publicly, presumably on grounds that Churchill's voice and delivery were not considered motivational enough. Myth?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.248.185.22 (talk • contribs)

I doubt it, but this gives rise to another interesting point. Recording was not allowed in Parliament at this time, so any recording of the speech must have been made by Churchill at a different time. I assume the speeches were subsequently recorded for broadcast on the radio.--ukexpat (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually, some of Churchill's speeches during this period were re-recorded by an actor for broadcast; I even recall seeing/reading an interview with the person, who talked about what a responsibility it was. I don't know if this particular speech was so treated, but it's worth checking out. Noel (talk) 02:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

So it turns out I was wrong. There was an actor claiming he'd done the re-voicing of the famous 1940 speeches, but he was apparently making a lot of it up. (He had recorded one speech, later on in the war.) See this page from the Winston Churchill Centre which treats this issue at length.

This speech was re-record by Churchill - but many years later, after the war; at the time, excerpts were read over the BBC by an announcer, but that was all. Noel (talk) 04:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Richard Shenkman (Legends, Lies & Cherished Myths of World History, HarperCollins, 1993) makes the claim that actor Norman Shelley gave the radio version (p. 253). Shenkman doesn't give a source. 64.53.191.77 (talk) 21:18, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Strange error message

Hi All,

I just edited the Trivia section and I am now getting a strange error message, even though I only changed the text and not the reference. Could somebody fix this please? I have no idea what it means. KarlFrei (talk) 10:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)