Talk:Abdurahman Khadr

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As Category:Al-Qaida seems to be reserved for members of al-Qaida, I am inclined to disagree that Abdulrahman Khadr should be listed here. I've therefore removed the category listing. Feel free to argue here for its replacement.

My rationale is as follows: though Khadr trained at an al-Qaida camp, and is by his own admission a member of an 'al-Qaida family', he has never claimed or been shown to have had any fondness for their goals or carried out any activities beyond attending the camp.

I have a feeling that whoever initially created this article did not realize this point (hence the repeated shocked mention in the text of Khadr declaring his family's al-Qaida affiliation on 'national television' and the misinterpretation of what Khadr meant when he said he was the 'black sheep' of the family. --Saforrest 17:42, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)

I agree. The article contains other inaccuracies -- like the assertions that he was born in Bahrain and spent only two years in Canada. I believe that all six of the Khadr children were born in Canada. Khadr senior didn't bring his family to Afghanistan until 1995 or 1996. -- Geo Swan 05:24, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)

Yes, this CTV story directly claims Abdurahman Khadr was born in Canada. I've changed the article accordingly. --Saforrest 01:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

"Extrajudicial Detention"

The beginning sentence states that he was held in "extrajudicial dentention" in Guantanamo. This seems to be a weasal word, and not NPOV, as it suggests that the U.S. was acting illegally in holding him. Such a position has never been held by any court. None of the U.S. Supreme Court opinions have ever suggested that the act of holding detainees at Guantanamo is illegal, only that there must be some due process protections in place for the detainees. Additionally, even in Wikipedia's article to which this article links the word "extrajudicial" is for extrajudicial punishment, e.g. punishment that is illegal, or separate from existing law. While detaining and holding a person without a warrant issued by a judge may in many cases be illegal, that's not always the case, and taking prisoners in a war does not require a prior judicial authorization, only that there be some basis for the detainee to challegne their dentention. There is no evidence that any U.S. laws were violated by merely taking him into custody and transporting him to Guantanamo.

This needs to be changed to simply reflect that he was detained at Guantanamo, and unless somebody can point to something other than the fact that he was detained at Guantanamo illegally, then I will make the change. JimZDP 21:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Detention is either judicial or extrajudicial, that's like saying we shouldn't claim "extraordinary rendition" is an NPOV term. It is, it doesn't say whether it's right or wrong, it's saying what branch the action happened through. Your complaint might as well claim that it's POV to say that soldiers were court-martialled, rather than "arrested", during the Liverpool riot of 1916. They weren't "arrested, tried before the Justice division and found guilty", they were court-martialled. Similarly Khadr was "extrajudicially detained" Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 03:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Photos

Just a note that I'll be getting better, more recent photos - don't go crying "Bias", I'm using every freely-licensed photo I can get my hands on. It's not my fault they tend to be childhood photos. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 01:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)